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Is It Possible That The Swine Flu Virus Is An Engineered Recombinant Strain?
ByI’ve asked this in the infectious diseases section, but wanted to ask in the biology section too since there may be people who know more about influenza.
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Not to sound paranoid, but there are a few odd things about this virus that are emerging. The most alarming is that it appears to have genetic material from avian flu, human flu, and swine flu. Since flu viruses do not exchange genetic material during their reproductive cycle, how could this be a natural phenomenon?
31 Comments
November 10th, 2009 at 7:29 am
The answer to that question is another question.
While a virus mutates all the time, there must be stages of milder versions around.
In the case that there are absolutely no mild versions of this virus around, then the chance is bigger that it may have been engineered.
If there are many mild versions around, then it is probably of natural origin.
So the question is: Are there many mild versions around and is there a killer mutation.
If the mild version and the killer version is the same virus that acts differently in different people so in the case there is no mutation, then with 100 deaths if there are 100.000 infected people around, you can call this a regular flu with less than 1% death rate.
If we have 200 people outside Mexico that got infected by just going there for a couple of days, then inside Mexico we must have at least a couple of million infected people. They are infected people we don’t know about because they just have a mild flu. Assuming there was no mutation, then 100 deaths is no issue and we just discovered a new flu by checking some death causes.
In this case it is probably not engineered.
Caution must be taken to rule out a killer mutation, and a new virus has the potential, and that is the hysteria you see in the media.
If some person get infected with swine flu by a swine and a human flu at the same time, then it can recombine in the human. I think it is also possible a swine got a human flu and a swine flu and the virus recombined in the swine. Note that the swine will not cover its nose when sneezing and spread the flu with other swines, infecting humans as well.
November 10th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
The first diagnose of the swine flu was in 1976 but returned again in 2007 and now stronger than before in 2009.
Related to the vaccine, there has been inconsistent responses to it since the flu has grown stronger. The current vaccines are oseltamivir (Tamiflu) and zanamivir (Relenza), it is said that the flu is susceptible to those but not guarantee to cure it. Scientist are still doing research on the swine flu because it is rare of the mix of avian-human-swine but remember that viruses evolve through time, so it could be a posibility.
The vaccine for the human seasonal flu does not protect against the Swine Flu, even if the virus strains are the same specific variety, as antigenically very different.
The virus was transmitted first from pigs to humans but became dangerous when it started infecting human-to-human. That’s why it is also very important for the people who have swine farms to take their pigs to the veterinary for a swine flu vaccine. Maybe this is one of the big reasons that the flu started so strong in Mexico (since more people live from farms than in the US).
November 10th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
I am not a bio-engineer, but I suspect that it is quite possible that the virus could have been engineered, tho finding direct evidence of that is highly unlikely. It is of great fascination to me that it contains such a diverse set of “fingerprints”, from widely dispersed locations. It is an unlikely but not impossible combination. Some very good earlier responses to this post describe the mechanism for mutation quite nicely.
I would *also* make an interesting counter-argument to those who think the intent of releasing a virus like this could be malign… It could also explain why it is overall far less lethal than one might assume would be true for a weaponized disease.
This virus contains segments of a flu lineage (Avian) which has in someplaces had a 60% mortality rate. What if someone might have engineered and released this as a *challenge* virus, in an effort to build immunity in populations against a threat that is over 100 times more lethal?
November 10th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Flu viruses (family Orthomyxoviridae) have a segmented genome, with 8 pieces of RNA each coding for one gene. When two strains infect a single cell, the progeny can be any combination of segments from each parent strain. That is called reassortment, and it is how flu viruses jump the species barrier so efficiently. So no, it is no smoking gun that this one has human, swine, and avian segments, this has been happening all along and pigs have long been known to be the mixing bowl for new flu strains. It does not mean that we are sure it was NOT bio-engineered but if it were, why would they pick something so relatively weak? Influenza is never truly mild but for it to have spread worldwide already, there must be millions of Mexicans infected, yet the deaths are not greater than 100. My vote is this one is natural.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:25 am
If it turns out to kill selectively Latin American people and cause mild symptoms in Caucasians and others, then it is definitely engineered.
If this is true then please note that they will never admit this, and they will probably cover it up and say that Tamiflu is the reason why there are no more deaths to lament. But if deaths will keep occurring among the LA crowd despite Tamiflu then draw your conclusion.
Then if that occurs, they will say: Swine flu had become resistant against Tamiflu.
Or maybe it is of natural origen, and LA people are more susceptible for this disease, and that is why until now we notice this flu, because it arrived in Mexico and started causing deaths. Nobody had investigated this mild flu, because nobody investigates somebody who has a mild flu.
November 11th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Peace to you!
From a metaphysical standpoint and a biological standpoint, check out:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-pea…
Drug Co. Caught Injecting Live Bird Flu Virus Into Flu Vaccines
(Here, it was the bird flu)
seems to say some flu is engineered (as are the pandemics).
Since folks ain’t caring about wars onterrors, well you know that song (Bonnie Raite?)
“Let’s Give Them Something (else) to Talk (worry) About!”
THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES.
“And this, too, shall pass!””
Be blessed
BLACKMALELAW
November 11th, 2009 at 10:34 am
I do think this is possible. It is not of military strength but it really burst onto the world wide stage with enough strength for me to think this wasn’t just a “lucky” viral mutation.
Even more intriguing, the swine flu initiated with the arrival of Obama in Mexico City. In fact one of the people Obama met personally while in Mexico City reportedly died the next day of Swine Flu.
If this was a bio-engineered Swine Flu strain from a Terrorist group they may have realized they had a better chance of hitting Obama in Mexico than here in the U.S.
November 11th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Check out the links below. I just read them, and I am starting to look up more information on them. The commenters at the bottom of the articles give a lot of links. I’m not getting all tinfoil-at on everyone because I haven’t researched it much, but this definitely needs to be looked in to. You have a large number bio-engineers working for the government dying violent deaths, samples of swine flu missing from Fort Derick, and a flu virus that has swine, avian, and human flu strains spreading in concentrated areas across the world at the same time. This obviously isn’t some random occurrence. Research it yourself. I am trying to get more solid answers from AP sites.
http://jollyrogerrevolution.blogspot.com/2009/04/if-you-sell-crack-join-gang-or-rob-mob.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE53N22820090424?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&rpc=22&sp=true
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread458112/pg1
November 11th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Fact: There is only a 1/10 of 1 percent chance that this “cocktail” of flu virus parts (FROM 4 DIFFERENT CONTINENTS!!!!!!!!) could have occurred naturally. Numerous biologists have said just that, so I guess the answer
is YES! Population reduction is a major goal for many who run governments. It’s only too convenient that Congress passed a law providing for “emergency centers” (FEMA camps that have already been built by KBR and have been staffed with guards for well over a year) just in time for this “emergency”. Wake up! This is no accident!
November 11th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
It is possible, but I don’t think likely. While on a large scale, convergent evolution does not occur (if you put a dog and human in the same room for thousands of years you don’t get a man-dog), flu viruses have been known to use a single human as a jumping board for convergent strains. Perhaps this is because of the microscopic level of these viruses.
November 11th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
it’s absolutely not. this is man-made. aids is going to be a thing of the past once the cdc decides what new concoction to unleash on the planet. what’s bad is this is probably only a test to see the rapid spreading and how the world responds to this emergency. completely engineered and deliberately released. we are under attack
November 12th, 2009 at 2:05 am
The NWO is spreading this thru chem-trails to KILL PEOPLE. The anti-christ is going to emerge soon, He is controlling Obama’s every move behind the scenes. Look at the evil laws Obama is passing. The anti-christ will be in charge of the Europeon Union first. Pray for your families and country. God is going to give us a warning very soon. He will be victorious and lead us to a place of safety.
November 12th, 2009 at 5:40 am
who needs terrorists when u have the government?
mexico has shut down nd if they do that to the US long enough it’ll drop dollar value immensely. eventually other countries that r used to depending on our currency will feel it too.
it would mean a halt worldwide.
it’d affect our marketing world and of course, food and water access.
given the chaos, they will introduce the RFID chip and idiots will gladly accept it. from there on out its smooth sailing towards the North American Union and their quest towards the NWO.
RESIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!http://youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
November 12th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Yes, Ken Alibek, the head of the Soviet Bio-Weapons program from 1988 to 1992 said in his book “Biohazard” his researchers were working on genetically modifed organisms with a view to weaponize them. That was 17 years ago. I am sure they have done it.
November 12th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Watch this special report by Alex Jones. It is highly likely 95% that this was created in a lab and is a test for something worse to come. Obama also owns shares in the vaccine company.http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJones…
November 12th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
I was just on CDC bc me and my son are supposed to go to Isla Mujeres on May 7th. Here’s the link of what the CDC said about the combo of them… Hopes this helps–Sara
November 12th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
My concern would be, not keeping our boarders safe. It would be somewhat easy for someone infected with something even worse than the swine-flu to bring cross into the US and spread it within a large city. does that bother anyone in our government?
November 13th, 2009 at 2:54 am
I’m not sure there’s enough information at this time to rule out any possibilities. I’m grateful it only took 81 people to die before Mexico publicized this to the world. It took 25,000 Americans to die of AIDS before it was publicly acknowledged.
November 13th, 2009 at 8:11 am
yesterday was a great show at Alex Jones radio about curent epidemics. of course its all NWO!! they want to get rid of majority of population, and those who survive will be living in prison closed totally controlled cities.
November 13th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Here’s your answer:http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/20…
Realize this was written in February.http://www.topix.com/forum/source/berksh…
November 13th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
This article outlines the types of swine flu, you might want to take a look at it.
November 13th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
u have to step back… look at the big picture…
its swine bird human…. just like aids.. its all man made.. if u want answers and u look at mainstream news.. GOOD LUCK.. they get paid by the big boys.. the big corp.. GOOGLE this stuff and look at both sides…
November 14th, 2009 at 12:35 am
Don’t panic. If you get swine you can be cured check out the faq at http://swineflu-symptoms.info/ this site will help answer your questions
November 14th, 2009 at 5:39 am
I was totally thinking the same thing and whenever I say it people are ll like oh your just full of conspiracies and I am glad to hear someone else is thinking it and not just me!
November 14th, 2009 at 11:30 am
I heard there were some viruses missing from Fort Detrick. Which ones? Who took them? Who has them?
November 14th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Yes its possible….what a great way to reduce population and take away from all the attention on the terrible economy
November 14th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
THEY are trying to kill off most the population.NWO
This is most likely just a test run.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
o come on people! this was gonna happen anyways, it was a matter of time
get over yourselves
November 15th, 2009 at 4:29 am
i believe it is a trial run. The time is near
November 15th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Given all of the other issues we are faced with when it comes to Mexico, (ie: poverty, crime, drug)s, immigration, I do not believe that it is an engineered strain. How? You may ask. I reside in the lower border region of Texas; right along the Mexican border. I work with immigrants on a daily basis and have come to recognize that this particular illness has been slow in coming but coming nonetheless. It is a natural process of evolution. Diseases, flu, meningitis, MRSA to name a few, are proof of this. It is sad to say that until it hit a national level no-one was aware of the fact that this flu was and has been here for a while, along with others that should really worry you. I believe the people in our area are the forgotten citizens of our country. Even though we have a border, a half built border wall and Homeland Security. It is a common belief that the differentiation between us and our neighbors across the border are one in the same. We haven’t much choice when it comes to deciding who we will educate, treat and keep in this country. That is another issue altogether. The fact is, the rate at which children and the elderly become ill in this area is very high in comparison to the rest of our nation. Yes. Needless to say. It had to become an international issue before an acknowledgment and a plan of action was implemented. Maybe, it’s our nation’s way of forcing Mexico to take responsibility for it’s people instead of continuing to support that nation’s total disregard of it’s citizens. Has anyone thought of that as a possibility?
November 15th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Any kind of virus consumed fried or boiled is safe.
You may it any evil genius created food well preserved.